In my previous post I found that a leak that found a bunch of gas had leaked out of the left carburetor while the bike was on it’s side stand. Since then it has happened intermittently under the same circumstances though generally only after the bike has sat for a bit and as soon as the bike is brought upright the leaking stops. After some web research I found that fuel petcock issues are common on the Suzuki GS bikes and that the side stand leaking issue is one of the symptoms of the petcock failing.
Another symptom is gas in the crankcase which would make
your oil smell like gasoline which is something I identified earlier when
changing the oil.
The general consensus seems to be that the issue with the
fuel tank petcock, which is vacuum actuated (it automatically starts the flow
of gas once the bike is running and shuts it off when it is not) is that due to
the old age the seal inside the petcock fails and or some of the other rubber
parts fail and then you have fuel being fed into the carbs all the time. Now my situation must be a two stage issue
there is the face that the petcock will not shut off and (I believe) the float
actuated shutoff in the carb is not working for some reason letting gas flow
into the float bowl until the it comes out the overfill tube. Another part of my hypothesis is that when
the bike is upright the flow of fuel does not stop, but the path changes into
the crankcase rather than on the ground.
Some people recommend skipping directly to replacing the old vacuum
actuated petcock with a manual petcock with a shutoff. I decided to rebuild the petcock on my bike because
it was the cheapest option ($24) to start out with. The manual petcock
can cost $79+ and an in-line shut-offs wouldn't keep gas from back-flowing into
the carb and proper fitment is not a guarantee so I was leery of that option. I lucked out and a local shop Motorcycle
Performance
had the rebuild kit on hand.
After
removing the petcock I took some shots of it from different angles which you
can see below.
The first part I removed was the front plate it
comes off with the two Phillips head screws you can see in the photo above and
below you can see a shot of it removed.
Directly
under the plate there is a wave washer, this is meant to put pressure on the
switch which in turn keeps the back side of the switch pressed on the gasket
that is behind it.
You
can see the gasket on the left and the back of the switch on the right. When set to the “ON” (normal) position the
hole at the 12:00 position feeds gas through the center vacuum actuated valve
from the from the taller feed tube in the tank. When set to the “RES” (reserve) position the
hole at the 3:00 position is feeds gas through the center vacuum actuated valve
from the lower feed tube in the tank. When
set to the “PRI” (prime) position the hole at the 3:00 position feeds gas from
the lower feed tube in the tank to a hole at the 6:00 position that bypasses
the vacuum actuated valve and dumps fuel directly into the carbs.
This
gasket can compact and flatten which can allow gas to the fuel bypass at any
petcock position causing overflow problems.
There
is also a gasket that goes around the outside of the switch that is included in
the rebuild kit that keeps fuel from leaking out around the petcock switch.
Another
gasket that comes in the rebuild kit is the one that seals between the petcock
and the gas tank.
On
the back side of the petcock is the vacuum diaphragm.
Suction
comes from the carb via a vacuum line to the smaller of the two fittings on the
petcock and pulls the metal plug with the rubber o-ring compressing the spring
behind it and opening the valve to let gas flow through the valve and into the
carb. Leaking can happen when the o-ring
shrinks and/or the contact point where the o-ring seals to the petcock has
inconsistencies in it’s surface. You can
see a demonstration of how this works below.
After
you disassemble the petcock you basically just go about replacing the gaskets
included in the kit.
Another
thing that you should pick up are some washers that have rubber in the center
to seal around the bolts that hold the petcock onto the tank lots of times they
are shot and are cheap but not included in the kit. The shop I got my kit from had them in stock
so I got them there.
You
can see some shots of the different gaskets after replacement below.
I
used some grease around the switch’s gasket to make sure that it eased back
into position without doing any damage to the gasket.
After
re-assembly I re-attached the petcock to the gas tank and that was as far as I
got today.
Stay
tuned for the follow-up on whether or not the rebuild fixed my issues.
Thanks
(as always) for reading!
Hey Juan just wanted to know if this fixed your problem. My bike (1979 Suzuki GS 850) has the same issues you listed, I haven't changed my oil yet but it won't surprise me if it smells like gas. I have adjusted all the floats to my carbs so I have noticed they no longer consistently leak gas out of the bottom. I have also bought an identical rebuild kit for my petcock and I assembled it but my petcock would not hold the gas back and let a constant dribble of gas. I have it pulled back apart and plan to use grease in the reassembly. Did you replace the spring? Also about how long is it uncompressed or how far out did it push against the diaphram?
ReplyDeleteThanks for the help!
Rob
Rob,
ReplyDeleteI found that the problem I was having with the rebuild kit was that I has re-assembled it wrong the first time. On the outside portion of the prtcock there is a vent hole, there is also a hole in one side of the rubber diaphragm and in the plastic piece too. Make sure that you are lining those three holes up. If you don't the petcock will be vaccuum locked an will not move/actuate properly. Once I lined them up it worked great and I haven't had any fuel leak issues since. With respect to the spring, I didn't take before and after measurements. I just gave it a healthy stretch maybe an eigth of an inch if that much.
Thanx Juan, it's finally working :)
ReplyDeleteJuan, I don't have what I think is the strainer (orange structure) or the tubes to differentiate between On and reserve. Is that a part I can get?
ReplyDeleteCan I ask a question My GS 850 will only run with some choke on. When I apply throttle the engine dies. any ideas?
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